Kaderschmiede 2024/2025
17.05.2024 - 09:53 Uhr
10.03.2025 - 11:30 Uhr
Zitat von zerofiver1905
Ich würde Brajan auch gerne wieder in Mainz sehen, halte das allerdings für sehr unrealistisch.
Vor allem eine Kaufoption. Wie sollen wir das bezahlen ?
Man könnte ihn höchstens für 1-2 Jahre leihen und sportlich von ihm profitieren, aber dann würden wir ihn für einen anderen Verein ausbilden…
Muss man überlegen ob das Sinn macht.
Sportlich würde man profitieren, was sehr gut wäre und man hätte mehr Geld um den Kader auf anderen Positionen zu verstärken.
Eine Kaufoption wäre sehr wahrscheinlich zu teuer für uns.
Plus, wir haben auf den offensiven Halbraum Positionen aktuell schon einige Spieler: Lee, Nebel, Hong, Nordin, Sieb, (Veratschnig)
Also wirklich Bedarf gibt es auf dieser Position ohne Abgänge nicht wirklich.
Da sind andere Positionen dünner besetzt (Stürmer, ZM, LV, IV (da einige verletzungsanfällig sind (Bell, AHO, Leitsch, Da Costa, Jenz…)
Zitat von mainz11
Sollte es tatsächlich am Ende für ein Europa-Ticket reichen, finde ich die Idee einer Rückkehr von Brajan gar nicht so doof. Er spielt ja leider in England überhaupt keine Rolle und stand zuletzt nicht mal mehr im Kader.
Eine Leihe über zwei Jahre mit Kaufoption fände ich gar nicht mal unrealistisch und mit Hinblick auf eine Dreifachbelastung müssten wir den Kader in der Breite auch qualitativ erweitern.
Sollte es tatsächlich am Ende für ein Europa-Ticket reichen, finde ich die Idee einer Rückkehr von Brajan gar nicht so doof. Er spielt ja leider in England überhaupt keine Rolle und stand zuletzt nicht mal mehr im Kader.
Eine Leihe über zwei Jahre mit Kaufoption fände ich gar nicht mal unrealistisch und mit Hinblick auf eine Dreifachbelastung müssten wir den Kader in der Breite auch qualitativ erweitern.
Ich würde Brajan auch gerne wieder in Mainz sehen, halte das allerdings für sehr unrealistisch.
Vor allem eine Kaufoption. Wie sollen wir das bezahlen ?
Man könnte ihn höchstens für 1-2 Jahre leihen und sportlich von ihm profitieren, aber dann würden wir ihn für einen anderen Verein ausbilden…
Muss man überlegen ob das Sinn macht.
Sportlich würde man profitieren, was sehr gut wäre und man hätte mehr Geld um den Kader auf anderen Positionen zu verstärken.
Eine Kaufoption wäre sehr wahrscheinlich zu teuer für uns.
Plus, wir haben auf den offensiven Halbraum Positionen aktuell schon einige Spieler: Lee, Nebel, Hong, Nordin, Sieb, (Veratschnig)
Also wirklich Bedarf gibt es auf dieser Position ohne Abgänge nicht wirklich.
Da sind andere Positionen dünner besetzt (Stürmer, ZM, LV, IV (da einige verletzungsanfällig sind (Bell, AHO, Leitsch, Da Costa, Jenz…)
Ich halte es ebenfalls für unwahrscheinlich, dass Gruda zurückkommen wird. Weder fest, noch per Leihe. In dem einzigen Szenario, wo ich mir eine Rückkehr auch nur irgendwie vorstellen kann, ist Nadiem der Schlüssel dazu. Hier ist allerdings fraglich, ob die zwei auch seit seinem Wechsel noch guten Kontakt pflegen, auch wenn er hier sozusagen sein Mentor war und Gruda enorm von ihm profitiert und gelernt hat.
Sollten wir allerdings wirklich die CL erreichen, fände ich es, selbst mit dem Kader den wir haben, als wichtig einen weiteren Garanten für die Halbräume zu verpflichten, zumal Sieb von Bo ganz klar in der Spitze gesehen wird.
Es kann durchaus gut sein, dass wir auf den Positionen und trotz eventueller CL Teilnahme, im Sommer Spieler verlieren werden. Hong zählt für mich momentan ganz klar zu den Kandidaten einer Leihe oder es eines direkt Abgangs. Aber auch bei Lee kann ich mir durchaus vorstellen, dass der ein oder andere finanzstärkere Klub im Ausland Interesse an einer Verpflichtung hätte. Das könnte die letzte Möglcihkeit für Lee sein, einmal einen großen Vertrag zu bekommen.
Nebel wird auch mächtig Interesse generieren, hier glaube ich allerdings, dass wir ihn mindestens noch ein Jahr in Mainz halten werden.
Aber auch wenn Lee bleibt, Brauch er bei Dreifach-Belastung definitiv genug Entlastung, wodurch sich definitiv Spielzeiten für z.B. einen Gruda ergeben würden. Nordin muss ebenfalls erst einmal nachweisen, dass er eine Verstärkung sein kann.
Dementsprechend sehe ich uns in der kommenden Saison, vor allem mit Dreifachbelastung, gar nicht so gut im OM besetzt.
10.03.2025 - 11:50 Uhr
10.03.2025 - 12:02 Uhr
Zitat von mainz11
Sollte es tatsächlich am Ende für ein Europa-Ticket reichen, finde ich die Idee einer Rückkehr von Brajan gar nicht so doof. Er spielt ja leider in England überhaupt keine Rolle und stand zuletzt nicht mal mehr im Kader.
Eine Leihe über zwei Jahre mit Kaufoption fände ich gar nicht mal unrealistisch und mit Hinblick auf eine Dreifachbelastung müssten wir den Kader in der Breite auch qualitativ erweitern.
Sollte es tatsächlich am Ende für ein Europa-Ticket reichen, finde ich die Idee einer Rückkehr von Brajan gar nicht so doof. Er spielt ja leider in England überhaupt keine Rolle und stand zuletzt nicht mal mehr im Kader.
Eine Leihe über zwei Jahre mit Kaufoption fände ich gar nicht mal unrealistisch und mit Hinblick auf eine Dreifachbelastung müssten wir den Kader in der Breite auch qualitativ erweitern.
Eine Leihe Okay, aber bitte keine Kaufoption.
Bitte nicht falsch verstehen.
Gruda wollte seinen Schritt gehen. Aber eine Rückkaukoption brauchen wir nicht. Dann haben wir wieder das selbe Spiel wie damals wo er weg wollte.
Gruda müsste ausserdem Gehaltseinbußen in Kauf nehmen.
10.03.2025 - 12:02 Uhr
Zitat von mainz11
Sollte es tatsächlich am Ende für ein Europa-Ticket reichen, finde ich die Idee einer Rückkehr von Brajan gar nicht so doof. Er spielt ja leider in England überhaupt keine Rolle und stand zuletzt nicht mal mehr im Kader.
Eine Leihe über zwei Jahre mit Kaufoption fände ich gar nicht mal unrealistisch und mit Hinblick auf eine Dreifachbelastung müssten wir den Kader in der Breite auch qualitativ erweitern.
Sollte es tatsächlich am Ende für ein Europa-Ticket reichen, finde ich die Idee einer Rückkehr von Brajan gar nicht so doof. Er spielt ja leider in England überhaupt keine Rolle und stand zuletzt nicht mal mehr im Kader.
Eine Leihe über zwei Jahre mit Kaufoption fände ich gar nicht mal unrealistisch und mit Hinblick auf eine Dreifachbelastung müssten wir den Kader in der Breite auch qualitativ erweitern.
Eine Leihe Okay, aber bitte keine Kaufoption.
Bitte nicht falsch verstehen.
Gruda wollte seinen Schritt gehen. Aber eine Rückkaukoption brauchen wir nicht. Dann haben wir wieder das selbe Spiel wie damals wo er weg wollte.
Gruda müsste ausserdem Gehaltseinbußen in Kauf nehmen.
10.03.2025 - 12:27 Uhr
Zitat von KCH22
Assuming everyone will stay, this could be a good "rotation" line up.
Hong used to play with that system at Gent, Nebel first option on the bench and Lee as last resource to try and get something from the game.
Assuming everyone will stay, this could be a good "rotation" line up.
Hong used to play with that system at Gent, Nebel first option on the bench and Lee as last resource to try and get something from the game.
I don’t think that we’ll see this line up in any game ever under Bo. Might be that Hong was used to play in this line up, but the fact ist, that Hong never showed any of his skills since he’s playing for Mainz 05. I don’t see any scenario how he should be magically able to be the lone wolf in the OM at any point.
I’d love to see him perform at his best, especially because I think he has a skillset that could really really help us, but somehow he seems to be super uncomfortable and insecure in Bo‘s system.
10.03.2025 - 13:10 Uhr
Zitat von Tharr
I don’t think that we’ll see this line up in any game ever under Bo. Might be that Hong was used to play in this line up, but the fact ist, that Hong never showed any of his skills since he’s playing for Mainz 05. I don’t see any scenario how he should be magically able to be the lone wolf in the OM at any point.
I’d love to see him perform at his best, especially because I think he has a skillset that could really really help us, but somehow he seems to be super uncomfortable and insecure in Bo‘s system.
Zitat von KCH22
Assuming everyone will stay, this could be a good "rotation" line up.
Hong used to play with that system at Gent, Nebel first option on the bench and Lee as last resource to try and get something from the game.
Assuming everyone will stay, this could be a good "rotation" line up.
Hong used to play with that system at Gent, Nebel first option on the bench and Lee as last resource to try and get something from the game.
I don’t think that we’ll see this line up in any game ever under Bo. Might be that Hong was used to play in this line up, but the fact ist, that Hong never showed any of his skills since he’s playing for Mainz 05. I don’t see any scenario how he should be magically able to be the lone wolf in the OM at any point.
I’d love to see him perform at his best, especially because I think he has a skillset that could really really help us, but somehow he seems to be super uncomfortable and insecure in Bo‘s system.
Next season everything resets and then Hong wil have his chance like any other player...also even if you sell him or loan out then another must come in and it's going to take time for the new guy to settle into the team (case in point, look at Nordin right now). The only scenario where something like that would work Is if it's done in early July with a whole preseason to learn the process at Mainz.
Another thing, it must be clear that with Mainz playing 3 times a week there will be even less time for player X to adapt to Mainz, which Is why the squad must be completed in mid July at the latest.
10.03.2025 - 13:42 Uhr
Zitat von KCH22
Next season everything resets and then Hong wil have his chance like any other player...also even if you sell him or loan out then another must come in and it's going to take time for the new guy to settle into the team (case in point, look at Nordin right now). The only scenario where something like that would work Is if it's done in early July with a whole preseason to learn the process at Mainz.
Another thing, it must be clear that with Mainz playing 3 times a week there will be even less time for player X to adapt to Mainz, which Is why the squad must be completed in mid July at the latest.
Zitat von Tharr
I don’t think that we’ll see this line up in any game ever under Bo. Might be that Hong was used to play in this line up, but the fact ist, that Hong never showed any of his skills since he’s playing for Mainz 05. I don’t see any scenario how he should be magically able to be the lone wolf in the OM at any point.
I’d love to see him perform at his best, especially because I think he has a skillset that could really really help us, but somehow he seems to be super uncomfortable and insecure in Bo‘s system.
Zitat von KCH22
Assuming everyone will stay, this could be a good "rotation" line up.
Hong used to play with that system at Gent, Nebel first option on the bench and Lee as last resource to try and get something from the game.
Assuming everyone will stay, this could be a good "rotation" line up.
Hong used to play with that system at Gent, Nebel first option on the bench and Lee as last resource to try and get something from the game.
I don’t think that we’ll see this line up in any game ever under Bo. Might be that Hong was used to play in this line up, but the fact ist, that Hong never showed any of his skills since he’s playing for Mainz 05. I don’t see any scenario how he should be magically able to be the lone wolf in the OM at any point.
I’d love to see him perform at his best, especially because I think he has a skillset that could really really help us, but somehow he seems to be super uncomfortable and insecure in Bo‘s system.
Next season everything resets and then Hong wil have his chance like any other player...also even if you sell him or loan out then another must come in and it's going to take time for the new guy to settle into the team (case in point, look at Nordin right now). The only scenario where something like that would work Is if it's done in early July with a whole preseason to learn the process at Mainz.
Another thing, it must be clear that with Mainz playing 3 times a week there will be even less time for player X to adapt to Mainz, which Is why the squad must be completed in mid July at the latest.
European competitions didn't start until the 3rd week of September. At least this year.
I doubt anything would change with regards to transfers.
The thing with Hong is:
In Mainz players usually have their breakout season in the first year after the transfer.
I can't think of many players who played little to not at all in the first season who ended up important players. All the exceptions would be youth players like Burkardt.
The external transfers that didn't manage to perform in the first season usually end up backups or leave the club fairly soon.
Dieser Beitrag wurde zuletzt von SoBvensson am 10.03.2025 um 13:47 Uhr bearbeitet
10.03.2025 - 14:10 Uhr
Zitat von SoBvensson
European competitions didn't start until the 3rd week of September. At least this year.
I doubt anything would change with regards to transfers.
The thing with Hong is:
In Mainz players usually have their breakout season in the first year after the transfer.
I can't think of many players who played little to not at all in the first season who ended up important players. All the exceptions would be youth players like Burkardt.
The external transfers that didn't manage to perform in the first season usually end up backups or leave the club fairly soon.
Zitat von KCH22
Next season everything resets and then Hong wil have his chance like any other player...also even if you sell him or loan out then another must come in and it's going to take time for the new guy to settle into the team (case in point, look at Nordin right now). The only scenario where something like that would work Is if it's done in early July with a whole preseason to learn the process at Mainz.
Another thing, it must be clear that with Mainz playing 3 times a week there will be even less time for player X to adapt to Mainz, which Is why the squad must be completed in mid July at the latest.
Zitat von Tharr
I don’t think that we’ll see this line up in any game ever under Bo. Might be that Hong was used to play in this line up, but the fact ist, that Hong never showed any of his skills since he’s playing for Mainz 05. I don’t see any scenario how he should be magically able to be the lone wolf in the OM at any point.
I’d love to see him perform at his best, especially because I think he has a skillset that could really really help us, but somehow he seems to be super uncomfortable and insecure in Bo‘s system.
Zitat von KCH22
Assuming everyone will stay, this could be a good "rotation" line up.
Hong used to play with that system at Gent, Nebel first option on the bench and Lee as last resource to try and get something from the game.
Assuming everyone will stay, this could be a good "rotation" line up.
Hong used to play with that system at Gent, Nebel first option on the bench and Lee as last resource to try and get something from the game.
I don’t think that we’ll see this line up in any game ever under Bo. Might be that Hong was used to play in this line up, but the fact ist, that Hong never showed any of his skills since he’s playing for Mainz 05. I don’t see any scenario how he should be magically able to be the lone wolf in the OM at any point.
I’d love to see him perform at his best, especially because I think he has a skillset that could really really help us, but somehow he seems to be super uncomfortable and insecure in Bo‘s system.
Next season everything resets and then Hong wil have his chance like any other player...also even if you sell him or loan out then another must come in and it's going to take time for the new guy to settle into the team (case in point, look at Nordin right now). The only scenario where something like that would work Is if it's done in early July with a whole preseason to learn the process at Mainz.
Another thing, it must be clear that with Mainz playing 3 times a week there will be even less time for player X to adapt to Mainz, which Is why the squad must be completed in mid July at the latest.
European competitions didn't start until the 3rd week of September. At least this year.
I doubt anything would change with regards to transfers.
The thing with Hong is:
In Mainz players usually have their breakout season in the first year after the transfer.
I can't think of many players who played little to not at all in the first season who ended up important players. All the exceptions would be youth players like Burkardt.
The external transfers that didn't manage to perform in the first season usually end up backups or leave the club fairly soon.
Fulgini Is one example of that, but he came in July with a bit more time for settle into the team.
For a fair comparison we need to look at the cases where player X came in late august, be put straight into the starting XI and then off beacuse he could not perform as expected.
10.03.2025 - 15:10 Uhr
Zitat von KCH22
Fulgini Is one example of that, but he came in July with a bit more time for settle into the team.
For a fair comparison we need to look at the cases where player X came in late august, be put straight into the starting XI and then off beacuse he could not perform as expected.
Zitat von SoBvensson
European competitions didn't start until the 3rd week of September. At least this year.
I doubt anything would change with regards to transfers.
The thing with Hong is:
In Mainz players usually have their breakout season in the first year after the transfer.
I can't think of many players who played little to not at all in the first season who ended up important players. All the exceptions would be youth players like Burkardt.
The external transfers that didn't manage to perform in the first season usually end up backups or leave the club fairly soon.
Zitat von KCH22
Next season everything resets and then Hong wil have his chance like any other player...also even if you sell him or loan out then another must come in and it's going to take time for the new guy to settle into the team (case in point, look at Nordin right now). The only scenario where something like that would work Is if it's done in early July with a whole preseason to learn the process at Mainz.
Another thing, it must be clear that with Mainz playing 3 times a week there will be even less time for player X to adapt to Mainz, which Is why the squad must be completed in mid July at the latest.
Zitat von Tharr
I don’t think that we’ll see this line up in any game ever under Bo. Might be that Hong was used to play in this line up, but the fact ist, that Hong never showed any of his skills since he’s playing for Mainz 05. I don’t see any scenario how he should be magically able to be the lone wolf in the OM at any point.
I’d love to see him perform at his best, especially because I think he has a skillset that could really really help us, but somehow he seems to be super uncomfortable and insecure in Bo‘s system.
Zitat von KCH22
Assuming everyone will stay, this could be a good "rotation" line up.
Hong used to play with that system at Gent, Nebel first option on the bench and Lee as last resource to try and get something from the game.
Assuming everyone will stay, this could be a good "rotation" line up.
Hong used to play with that system at Gent, Nebel first option on the bench and Lee as last resource to try and get something from the game.
I don’t think that we’ll see this line up in any game ever under Bo. Might be that Hong was used to play in this line up, but the fact ist, that Hong never showed any of his skills since he’s playing for Mainz 05. I don’t see any scenario how he should be magically able to be the lone wolf in the OM at any point.
I’d love to see him perform at his best, especially because I think he has a skillset that could really really help us, but somehow he seems to be super uncomfortable and insecure in Bo‘s system.
Next season everything resets and then Hong wil have his chance like any other player...also even if you sell him or loan out then another must come in and it's going to take time for the new guy to settle into the team (case in point, look at Nordin right now). The only scenario where something like that would work Is if it's done in early July with a whole preseason to learn the process at Mainz.
Another thing, it must be clear that with Mainz playing 3 times a week there will be even less time for player X to adapt to Mainz, which Is why the squad must be completed in mid July at the latest.
European competitions didn't start until the 3rd week of September. At least this year.
I doubt anything would change with regards to transfers.
The thing with Hong is:
In Mainz players usually have their breakout season in the first year after the transfer.
I can't think of many players who played little to not at all in the first season who ended up important players. All the exceptions would be youth players like Burkardt.
The external transfers that didn't manage to perform in the first season usually end up backups or leave the club fairly soon.
Fulgini Is one example of that, but he came in July with a bit more time for settle into the team.
For a fair comparison we need to look at the cases where player X came in late august, be put straight into the starting XI and then off beacuse he could not perform as expected.
If you ask me the problems with Hong are far deeper than just being transferred too late or not knowing the system.
The number one issue with him is that he isn't able to adapt to the aggressive pressing that Bo wants to see.
There have been a lot of times this season where I was annoyed that Hong was making the right pressing runs but then wasted his entire (and also the teams) effort by being afraid to challenge the opponent and basically offering the opponent a free way to escape from our pressing.
He will never get past Lee and Nebel if he refuses to go into the duels.
And he will never get past Sano and even Amiri in midfield either. Regardless how skilled he may be on the ball.
This is the number one thing that he needs to fix in his game. Not being afraid of contact.
If he can fix that he has a chance to make it. If he can't fix that he will certainly not make it.
11.03.2025 - 18:39 Uhr
Finde es gut dass man mit Da Costa verlängern möchte, bin gespannt ob es ein ein oder zwei Jahres Vertrag wird.
Drei wäre mir zu viel, da er nicht mehr der jüngste ist und immer mal gut ist für eine kleinere Verletzung leider.
Aber über 1-2 Jahre würde ich mich freuen!
Was ein Comeback von Danny!
Drei wäre mir zu viel, da er nicht mehr der jüngste ist und immer mal gut ist für eine kleinere Verletzung leider.
Aber über 1-2 Jahre würde ich mich freuen!
Was ein Comeback von Danny!
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